In discussion with Daniel Wang on “Ballads For Two” by Chet Baker and Wolfgang Lackerschmid (1979).
Can you remember how you became aware of Chet Baker? Was it a certain time and place?
It must have been in the mid 1990s, I was about 26 or 27. I tried listening to jazz in an academic way when I was at university, age 18 or 19… I had some cassettes from Duke Ellington and Miles Davis at that time, not much else. I did not know how to appreciate jazz at that time. I got into Chet Baker only after I started making house tracks and realizing that what I was really seeking was in “soul music”, this beautiful floating, sometimes melancholic feeling which you would hear in great saxophone and trumpet solos, either in disco songs or in “jazz funk classics”. My boyfriend at the time smoked marijuana very heavily, and he would try to play guitar with a feeling similar to Chet Baker’s. He often spoke about Chet’s heroin addiction and how Chet’s music embodied this floating, otherworldly “high” (from the drug).
Why did you choose “Ballads For Two”? What makes this album so important for you?
Well, it is a bit arbitrary for the sake of this interview. There are so many great albums from him and great jazz albums in general. But me, I always especially liked the sound of vibraphones, and also of Fender Rhodes electric pianos and wooden marimbas. I studied marimba for a year as a child. These are all percussive instruments which still have a clear tonality which are very unique among other instruments. And I believe strongly in “serendipity” – you know, chance encounters, random choices which have nice results. I saw this album in an old used-CD shop in Dublin. I didn’t know what it was, it was just a surprise-discovery. Too much jazz is recorded with the standard piano- bass- and drum set… Another great album is “From Left to Right”, which was Bill Evans playing Fender Rhodes in 1975 or so. Aside from composition and performance, sheer uniqueness of tonality (timbre) is also very important in music, don’t you agree?
im Gespräch mit Michael Kummermehr über “Alfie” von Burt Bacharach (1966).
Kannst Du Dich noch daran erinnern, wann Du das erste Mal bewusst Burt Bacharach gehört hast?
Ja, ich glaube das müsste im öffentlich-rechtlichen Fernsehen vor der Kabelfernsehzeit gewesen sein. Als ich ein Kind war, Mitte/Ende der 70er, lief „Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid“ mit Robert Redford und Paul Newman. Einer der Westernklassiker, den man aber als Kind komisch findet, weil die Cowboys auch Fahrrad fahren und oft verliebt sind. Besonders “Raindrops Keep Fallin’ On My Head”, von Billy Joe Thomas gesungen, ist einer der Radiohits, die man schon als Sechsjähriger im Ohr hat, was einen aber noch nicht zum erklärten Bacharach-Fan macht. Allein deshalb, weil man in dem Alter glaubt, dass der Sänger seine Lieder da im Radio selber macht. Ich denke, wer Burt Bacharach ist, habe ich im Ansatz erst in den frühen 90ern verstanden. In der Spex gab eine Rubrik namens „Legendäre Typen“ (die Spex war damals noch ein reines Herzblutprodukt und heute vergleichbar mit einem gut gemachten Blog, also in Themenauswahl und Meinungsmachertum sehr subjektiv, sehr unberechenbar, oft gewagt und fast ebenso oft gewinnend charmant). Diese Reihe handelte von einflussreichen Über-Kreativen wie Arthur Baker, Tony Wilson und… Burt Bacharach – Ein Hugh Hefner mit Steinway Flügel. Das war ungefähr zu der Zeit als, die Interpretationen von „Look Of Love“ von Wild Bunch und „Say a Little Prayer“ von Bomb The Bass herauskamen.
Übrigens: Wenn man alte Tapes von Soul II Soul oder Wild Bunch Warehouse Parties der späten 80er und frühen 90er hört, ist man erstaunt, dass da 60ies-Instrumentals von Schifrin, so wie den Ventures oder Shadows liefen. Der Name Bacharach fiel mir auch immer auf, wenn wir auf der A61 von Ludwigshafen nach Köln gefahren sind: Dann passierte man die Autobahnausfahrt Bacharach. Ein Städtchen am Rhein im Kreis Mainz Bingen. Bestimmt süß und gutes Essen gibt es da sicher auch. Ich war noch nie da.
Bacharach hat unzählige Klassiker geschrieben. Warum hast Du Dich für “Alfie” entschieden? Was macht den Song so speziell für Dich?
Haha! Frage 2 und schon kommt die rhetorische Frage. Meine Frau und ich haben uns den – jedenfalls kommt es meinen Eltern so vor – bourgeois-exzentrischen Luxus erlaubt, unseren Sohn Alfie zu nennen, ohne Zweitnamen und andere Tricks. Im Standesamt in Pankow, wo ich die Geburtsurkunde abgeholt habe, war deswegen auch echt “High Life”. Die Bediensteten fanden Vor- und Nachnamen einfach oberniedlich. Die Damen um die 50 hatten Tränen der Rührung in den Augen, bevor es Schlag 11.30 in die Mittagspause ging. Meine Frau Andrea kam auf die Idee, Alfie, Alfie zu nennen. Sie fand das Lied schön und wollte einen englischen Namen, den man im Deutschen so aussprechen kann, wie man ihn liest. Weil wir eine Erinnerung an unsere schöne Zeit in London haben wollten und weil unser Kind auf keinen Fall einen dieser Kollwitzplatz-Namen bekommen sollte, Luca oder wie die alle heißen. – Ich meine, Luca oder Leon sind absolut süße Namen, auch diese bildungsbürgerlichen altdeutschen Namen sind spitze, aber deren Individualisierungstauglichkeit geht vor unserer Haustür leider gegen Null.- Ich muss noch immer an diese Vorlesung in Rechtsphilosophie denken, in der Professor Pawlowski den Hegelschen Weltgeist erklärt hat. Er meinte (das ist 17 Jahre her), dass in zehn Jahren Namen en vogue seien werden, die wir heute (also damals) als unpassend empfinden, und dass dann die zukünftige (also die heutige) Mehrheit, diese Namen als sehr schön und würdig für die eigenen Kinder empfinden würde. Dass also die Mehrheit bzw. die Welt durchdrungen von dem Geist sei, ihren Kindern solche Namen zu geben. Das sei mehr als Gruppenzwang und mehr als Mode. Ich fand es ein bisschen unheimlich. OK…zurück zur Frage. Wir fanden das Lied so gut, dass wir uns gegen den herrschenden Weltgeist gestemmt haben.
“Never be ashamed to write a melody that people remember.” (Burt Bacharach)
Mel Tormé – Walk On By Dionne Warwick – Who Is Gonna Love Me Lou Johnson – The Last One To Be Loved Jimmie Rodgers – The Windows Of The World Jackie DeShannon – A Lifetime Of Loneliness Johnny Mathis – Odds And Ends Dionne Warwick – Walkin’ Backwards Down The Road Pitney – Fool Killer Jimmy Radcliffe – (There Goes) The Forgotten Man Burt Bacharach – I’ll Never Fall In Love Again Gene McDaniels – Tower Of Strength Dionne Warwick – Window Wishing The Cyrkle – It Doesn’t Matter Anymore Stephanie Mills – Loneliness Remembers (What Happiness Forgets) Dionne Warwick – Are You There (With Another Girl) Sergio Mendes & Brasil ’77 – Walk The Way You Talk Burt Bacharach – And The People Were With Her Stephanie Mills – Living On Plastic Burt Bacharach – Don’t Go Breaking My Heart Dionne Warwick – Do You Know The Way To San José Anita Harris – London Life Dionne Warwick – Looking With My Eyes Burt Bacharach – When Will You Bring Your Sweet Love To Me Dionne Warwick – As Long As There’s An Apple Tree Stephanie Mills – Please Let Go Dionne Warwick – Paper Maché The 5th Dimension – Living Together, Growing Together Burt Bacharach – Something Big Dionne Warwick – I Say A Little Prayer The Searchers – This Empty Place Burt Bacharach – Pacific Coast Highway Burt Bacharach – My Little Red Book Jill O’Hara – Knowing When To Leave Buddy Greco – Always Something There To Remind Me Dionne Warwick – Promises, Promises Burt Bacharach – Monterey Peninsula Burt Bacharach – The Things I Will Not Miss Bobby Vee – Be True To Yourself Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass – Theme From Casino Royale Burt Bacharach – Freefall Tom Jones – Promise Her Anything Burt Bacharach – Reflections Burt Bacharach – The World Is A Circle Burt Bacharach – The Sundance Kid Burt Bacharach – South American Getaway
“For Burt, the 5th ‘B in no particular order – Beethoven, Brahms, Berlin, Bach and Bacharach.” (Ira Gershwin)
Matt Monro – Alfie Burt Bacharach – No One Remembers My Name Burt Bacharach – I Might Frighten Her Away Stephanie Mills – All The Way To Paradise The Walker Brothers – Make It Easy On Yourself Robin Wilson – A House Is Not Home Burt Bacharach – One Less Bell To Answer Burt Bacharach – Us Burt Bacharach – Wanting Things Tommy Hunt – I Just Don’t Know What To Do With Myself Herb Alpert – The Guy’s In Love With You Burt Bacharach – Lost Horizon Burt Bacharach – I Took My Strength From You Dionne Warwick – If I Ever Make You Cry Burt Bacharach – The Young Grow Younger Every Day Burt Bacharach – The Balance Of Nature Burt Bacharach – Seconds Herb Alpert – To Wait For Love Dusty Springfield – The Look Of Love Burt Bacharach – I Come To You The Carpenters – (They Long To Be) Close To You Burt Bacharach – Another Spring Will Rise Dionne Warwick – Here I Am Stephanie Mills – The Way I Feel About You Burt Bacharach – Trains And Boats And Planes Al Martino – I’m A Better Man Burt Bacharach – Hassbrook Heights Shirelles – It’s Love That Really Counts (In The Long Run) Jackie De Shannon – Come And Get Me Jack Jones – Wives And Lovers The Drifters – Let The Music Play Chuck Jackson – Any Day Now Burt Bacharach – All Kinds Of People Stephanie Mills – I See You For The First Time Jackie DeShannon – What The World Needs Now Is Love Burt Bacharach – Nikki Nancy Wilson – Reach Out For Me Andy Williams – Raindrops Keep Fallin’ On My Head Roland Shaw & His Orchestra – Let The Love Come Through Dionne Warwick – Any Old Time Of The Day The Stylistics – You’ll Never Get To Heaven (If You Break My Heart) Stephanie Mills – If You Can Learn How To Cry Dionne Warwick – Don’t Make Me Over Cilla Black – Anyone Who Had A Heart Burt Bacharach – Long Ago Tomorrow
This is from an old French movie soundtrack, „Le Casse“. I picked this for the string arrangement, because it puts a lot of emphasis on build-up, thus linking to the way Disco producers arranged strings for climactic dancefloor moments.
To be honest, I muss confess I don’t know Morricone’s works so well. I don’t think I have been a really big fan, partially because I don’t know it so well. My first impression of this track, which I didn’t know, was that it’s a formal composition. In my head I make a distinction between pop music, which has almost very definite rules, and people following it like Abba. It’s not formulaic, but there are very basic chord progressions that are based on Blues and Jazz that you can do in pop music and that have their own logic and their own progression. Many pop songs are actually the same song. “Good Times” by Chic is one kind of groove and twenty other songs sound exactly like it. It could be “Rapture” by Blondie or something. That’s pop music writing. And then you have soundtrack music writing and it has a different logic. It doesn’t have to follow a certain progression like in pop music, which has a reason and an impulse that keeps on pushing the song forward. When I heard this I thought it is a very good example of soundtrack music writing where you don’t really have to explain the logic of the chord progression, it just sets a mood. It makes an ambience. I think this is probably from 1967 to 71.
Good guess, it’s from 1971.
Because from 1972 on you start getting the big multi-track stuff, like Philly Disco and the more sophisticated pop, and this still sounds relatively simple. My first impression was it’s like a slightly cheaper copy of Burt Bacharach’s “Raindrops Keep Fallin’ On My Head”, but with more drama. It has some very formal devices, like it’s basically a minor key. But at some points he plays the same theme but he opens it up with a major key.
Lately all this beautifully orchestrated obscure library music back is popping up again and people scan back catalogues for songs groovy enough to suit a Disco context.
Yeah, that’s interesting, and I think there is a good reason for that. There is such a thing as real music, in the sense that there were people who did music for films, like Ennio Morricone, or Giorgio Moroder, with a more naïve use of the rules, or the very sophisticated Henry Mancini, or Alec Constandinos, or Vangelis, or Jean-Michel Jarre. All these people were obviously classically trained and they followed the rules. It doesn’t really matter if it’s a Bossa Nova, 60’s GoGo or a Disco beat, the rules of the music don’t change. I think that is why everybody is going back now to find real music. When people like Masters At Work appeared in the 90’s, people who didn’t know anything about the basic rules of music started making music. That’s why it sounds so awful, haha. A lot of the DJ produced music doesn’t have its own intrinsic logic and sense. And chords, progression and melodies have that intrinsic logic. That’s what’s been missing. So everyone of this generation who wants to find out what is really musical has to go back to the 60’s and 70’s, and there you find it everywhere actually.
> Carter Burwell – Blood Simple
This is from the soundtrack of the Coen Brothers debut film “Blood Simple”.
It’s from the 80’s I suppose.
Yes, it’s from 1987. It’s a mood piece with a synthetic feel to it.
I found the orchestration is simpler, but it’s similar to the previous song. Again, it’s not a pop song with intrinsic deep logic. Like Bach’s “Air On The G-String”, that is also some kind of pop music because it has a very definite logic. This one has a formal piano theme that sounds a bit like Erik Satie. Simple chord, simple melody, a little bit like Mozart’s “Eine kleine Nachtmusik”. It is not original, it is a formal piece, it follows a form that other people have created.
You could maybe alter its logic by just putting a beat under it, and by not adding much you would have a really moody dance track.
Yeah, actually this is the thing. To be honest, and many people are going to hate me for saying this, I’m not a big fan of Portishead. It’s very easy to make a mood piece. Anybody can do it. All you have to do is take a minor key and play some stuff over it, doesn’t really matter what. I think Portishead never even use a major key (laughs).
They don’t have to, really.
Yes. I think anybody writing good music should move between major and minor keys, that’s part of the magic. Since we now accept that some people make mood music, you can have a whole album of just melancholy. Personally, that doesn’t move me at all and I don’t find it very interesting. I think a lot of people in this generation think that this is a valid way to do music, for me it’s not enough. Salsoul records only have two or three keys but they do it so well, there are so many nuances.
I think the problem is that many people think they can only sound deep by using minor keys.
Yes, you’re right. That’s very true. If it’s not melancholy and it’s not moody then it’s not deep. Which is not true. That’s very profound what you just said. Read the rest of this entry »
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